Coleman Jackson, P.C. | Transcript of Legal Thoughts Podcast
Published February 3, 2021.
Legal Thoughts is a podcast presentation by Coleman Jackson, P.C., a law firm based in Dallas, Texas serving individuals, businesses, and agencies from around the world in taxation, litigation, and immigration legal matters.
This particular episode of Legal Thoughts is a podcast where the Attorney, Coleman Jackson is being interviewed by Reyna Munoz, Tax Legal Assistant of Coleman Jackson, P.C. The topic of discussion is “Update on Covid-19 Relief for Shuttered Venue Operators, Museum Operators, Motion Picture Theater Operators, and Talent Representatives” You can listen to this podcast by clicking here:
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TRANSCRIPT:
ATTORNEY: Coleman Jackson
Legal Thoughts
COLEMAN JACKSON, ATTORNEY & COUNSELOR AT LAW
ATTORNEY: Coleman Jackson
Welcome to Tax Thoughts
- My name is Coleman Jackson, and I am an attorney at Coleman Jackson, P.C., a taxation, litigation and immigration law firm based in Dallas, Texas.
- Our topic for today is: “Update on Covid-19 Relief for Shuttered Venue Operators, Museum Operators, Motion Picture Theater Operators, and Talent Representatives.”
- Other members of Coleman Jackson, P.C. are Yulissa Molina, Tax Legal Assistant, Leiliane Godeiro, Litigation Legal Assistant, Reyna Munoz, Immigration Legal Assistant and Mayra Torres, Public Relations Associate.
- On this “Legal Thoughts” podcast our immigration legal assistant, Reyna Munoz will be asking the questions and I will be responding to her questions on this important tax topic: “Update on Covid-19 Relief for Shuttered Venue Operators, Museum Operators, Motion Picture Theater Operators, and Talent Representatives.”
Mayra Torres Introduces Herself to the Audience:
- Good morning everyone. My name is Mayra Torres, and I am the public relations associate at Coleman Jackson, P.C. Coleman Jackson, P.C. is a law firm based right here in Dallas Texas representing clients from around the world in taxation, litigation, and immigration law.
- Attorney we have published three prior podcasts where we discussed various aspects of economic Covid-19 relief offered to individuals and businesses in the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021. In Part One of Legal Thoughts Podcast several weeks ago, we spent most of our time talking about stimulus checks. Then in Part Two, we spent the bulk of our time discussing tax relief in the Act for businesses, such as the Paycheck Protection Program. And in Part Three that was published a couple of weeks ago, we discussed Discharge of Indebtedness and the Paycheck Protection Program.
- In this Podcast, we will be discussing various aspects of the Shuttered Venue Operators Grant Program which became law on December 27, 2020.
Question 1:
- Attorney let’s start right on the basics here! What is the Shuttered Venue Operators Grant Program?
Attorney: Coleman Jackson
ANSWER 1:
- Good morning Mayra.
- The Shuttered Venue Operators Grant Program is Section 324 of the Economic Aid to Hard-Hit Small Businesses, Nonprofits and Venues Act signed into law on December 27, 2020 which is designed to give economic relief to hard-hit businesses in the entertaining industry. It is the U.S. Congress response to the economic turmoil caused by Covid-19 on businesses, entities and organizations in the arts, cultures and entertaining sectors of our communities who have been hard-hit by the devastation of doing all the things scientist have told us to do as a community to contain or bend the curve of the spread of corona virus. These entertaining venues were hard-hit by venue shutdowns and attendance restrictions throughout this global pandemic and National Health Emergency.
- The Shuttered Venue Operators Grant Program is Title III, Section 324 of the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021. We have produced and published several Podcast over the last few weeks where discuss various aspects of the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021.
Interviewer: Mayra Torres, Public Relations Associate
- Yes, Attorney, we have published at least three podcasts in recent weeks discussing stimulus payments to individuals, paycheck protection program loans to small businesses, and PPP Loan Forgiveness procedures under the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021. Anyone wanting to listen to these prior Podcast can subscribe to our Podcast on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Spotify or wherever they listen to their podcast.
- That is wonderful news about economic grant relief to performing arts venues, museums, and other cultural venues! That is indeed great news, Attorney! We all have a major interest in seeing our favorite entertainers venues survive this dreadful pandemic and thrive. What a joy it will be when we can all go out and safely have fun again. It’s good that the U.S. Congress is sending economic Covid-19 relief to hard-hit businesses in the entertainment, arts and culture sector of the economy. These businesses survival is critical for everyone’s wellbeing and happiness. I mean, the arts and culture are very important to us all because arts and culture adds spice, quality, and enjoyment to life.
Question 2:
- Attorney, what kinds of businesses and organizations are eligible to apply for a Shuttered Venue Operators Grant?
Attorney: Coleman Jackson
ANSWER 2:
- Mayra, you are right about the need of society for survival of arts and culture venues during this pandemic.
- The following types of individuals, entities, businesses, and organizations may be eligible to apply for a grant under the Small Business Administration’s Shuttered Venues Operators Program:
- Venue Operators;
- Event Promotors;
- Theatrical Producers;
- Live Performing Arts Operators;
- Museum Operators;
- Motion Picture Theaters Operators; and
- Talent Representatives
- Let me note that the Economic Aid Act for Hard-Hit businesses adopts the term Small Business as defined in the Small Business Act. Hard-Hit business can apply to individuals, business entities and even governmental agencies, under certain circumstances under Section 324 of the Economic Aid Act to Hard-Hit Small Businesses, Nonprofits and Venues Act of December 27, 2020.
Interviewer: Mayra Torres, Public Relations Associate
- So, movie theaters, promotors, venue operators, and live performing arts venues are among the types of businesses who may apply for a Shuttered Venue Grant under this grant program.
- Did I get all that right, Attorney?
Question 3:
- Attorney, can someone listening to our podcast today go out and start a business in the performing arts, movie theaters and entertaining promoter industry and apply for one of these Small Business Administration’s Hard-Hit Shuttered Venue Grants?
Attorney: Coleman Jackson
ANSWER 3:
- Mayra, your brief summary of eligible businesses or entities who may be eligible to apply for a grant under the program is right. Your list is not as comprehensive as the laundry list of potentially eligible entities that I listed; however.
- As for your question about someone listening to this podcast and then going out and starting a business or organization to apply for a Economic Hard-Hit Venues Grant under this SBA Program; not so fast! The business must have been in operations as of February 29, 2020. If a business started operations in 2020 for the first time, the business must have been fully operational on February 29, 2020.
- Keep in mind the business will have to demonstrate to the satisfaction of the Small Business Administration that the business has suffered a revenue loss of 25% in 2020 from revenue in 2019 due to the corona virus pandemic. The SBA permits business not in existence in 2019 to use an alternative method to show the 25% decline in business. In those instances, the SBA looks at the decline in gross revenue for the second, third and fourth quarters of 2020 and compares it with the businesses first quarter gross revenue for 2020.
- So bottom line: Mayra the answer to your question is NO. An individual cannot listen to this podcast today and go out and start a new business in the entertaining, promoter, arts venue arena in hopes of applying for a grant under the Economic Hard-Hit venues grant program. Now whether such individual or business can purchase an existing business that potentially qualifies for the grant? That could be something that could be considered.
Interviewer: Reyna Munoz, Tax Legal Assistant
QUESTION 4:
- Attorney, we talked about the Paycheck Protection Program Loan a few weeks ago. Can a business apply for a PPP loan and a grant under the SBA shuttered grants program for small businesses, nonprofits, and shuttered venues?
Attorney: Coleman Jackson
ANSWER 4:
- Well, that kind of sound like double dipping. But it depends upon when the business or entity received their Paycheck Protection Program Loan. If the entity applied for and received their PPP loan before December 27, 2020, they can also apply for a Shuttered Venues Grant under the SBA Grant Program for shuttered nonprofits, small businesses, and venues.
- However, in the event the business applied for and received their PPP loan after December 27, 2020, they are not eligible to apply for a SBA Shuttered Venues Grant. Double dipping is not allowed; however, that business who received a first draw PPP loan can apply and receive a second draw PPP loan under the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021. We talk about the potential and procedures for a second draw loan in our previous podcast on this topic.
Interviewer: Mayra Torres, Public Relations Associate
- Attorney, thanks for such a thorough response to my questions about whether a business could apply for and receive both a paycheck protection program loan and an SBA grant under the Shuttered Venues Program. It sounds like your answer is no; unless the business applied for and received their PPP loan prior to December 27, 2020.
Question 5:
- I was just wondering Attorney. Are grants under the Small Business Administration’s Shuttered Venue Operators Program, loans that must be paid back? Are they tax free?
Attorney: Coleman Jackson
ANSWER 5:
- Those are excellent questions, Mayra.
- No grants under the Small Business Administration Program for shuttered non-profits, small businesses and venues are not loans. A grant does not have to be paid back by the recipient of the grant.
- And yes, grants received by the business or organization under Title III, Section 324 of the Economic Aid to Hard-Hit Small Businesses, Non-profits and Venues Act are tax free. The grant is not included in the business’s gross income.
- Section 278 (d) states, in part that “any grant made under section 324 of the Economic Aid to Hard-Hit Small Businesses, Nonprofits, and Venues Act shall not be included in the gross income of the person that receives such grant”.
- These and other specific tax rules established in the Act applies to all tax periods after the effective date of the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021 was December 27, 2020.
Interviewer: Mayra Torres, Public Relations Associate
- Attorney it is definitely good news to know that shuttered business operators do not have to pay federal taxes on grants received under this SBA shuttered venue operators grant program. That is relief when relief is needed from the devastation of this dreadful corona virus pandemic.
Question 6:
- Attorney, how likely an auditor comes knock years from now seeking to examine the books and records of shuttered venue operator who receives one of these SBA shuttered venues grants.?
Attorney: Coleman Jackson
- Another excellent and thoughtful question, Mayra.
ANSWER 6:
- Businesses should consult with their trusted advisors in terms of applying with laws and regulations governing Shuttered Venues Act grants. Several federal agencies could be involved in administrating and conducting audit examinations of nonprofits, small businesses and shuttered venues operators who receives these Small Business Administration Shuttered Venues Grants.
- Subsequent rules and regulations could come from the Small Business Administration, United States Treasury or other governmental agency establishing accountability and proper business accounting for grants received during this pandemic. Businesses should keep good books and records that properly reflect the expenditure of such shuttered venues grant funds for at least seven years.
Interviewer: Mayra Torres, Public Relations Associate
- Attorney thanks for such a detailed explanation of discharge of indebtedness and the Paycheck Protection Program.
Mayra Torres’s Concluding Remarks
- Attorneys thank you this comprehensive and informative presentation on the SBA Shuttered Venue Operators Program.
- I know we have not talked about everything concerning the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021. But these are my questions for now as it relates to the SBA Covid-19 Relief for the Shuttered Venues Operators. Perhaps we can do another podcast covering other aspects of this topic as time permits and interest by our listeners is communicated to us through calls, emails or otherwise.
- Our listeners who want to hear more podcast like this one should subscribe to our Legal Thoughts Podcast on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Spotify or wherever they listen to their podcast. You can follow our blogs by going to our law firm’s website at cjacksonlaw.com. Everybody take care for now! Come back in about two weeks, for more taxation, litigation and immigration Legal Thoughts from Coleman Jackson, P.C., which is located right here in Dallas, Texas at 6060 North Central Expressway, Suite 620, Dallas, Texas 75206.
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Attorney’s Concluding Remarks:
THIS IS END OF “LEGAL THOUGHTS” FOR NOW
- Thanks for giving us the opportunity to inform you about the “Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021 as it relates to the Small Business Administration’s Grant Program for Shuttered non-profits, small businesses and venues”. We might do future blogs or podcast dealing with various other aspects of the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021 in the near future.
- If you want to see or hear more taxation, litigation and immigration LEGAL THOUGHTS from Coleman Jackson, P.C. Stay tune! Watch for a new Legal Thoughts podcast in about two weeks and check our law firm’s website at www.cjacksonlaw.com to follow our blogs. We are here in Dallas, Texas and want to inform, educate and encourage our communities on topics dealing with taxation, litigation and immigration. Until next time, take care.